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This clearly fails WP:NOT#INFO, WP:NOT#STATS, and original research. Kept in a AFD back in 2005 which standards were a massive joke back then. Delete Secret account 23:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete Gah! "Indiscriminate collection of information" indeed. This is far more detail than is appropriate for a general encyclopedia. --BDD (talk) 00:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete clearly a non-notable intersection of a notable topic. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete for reasons already expressed, assuming nothing can be salvaged. —Al E.(talk) 19:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't think this is an "indiscriminate" list at all (see WP:DISCRIMINATE) as it is a list that clearly focuses on Monday Night Football games. I've reviewed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monday Night Football: Series By Series History and find at least most of keep the reasons given there to be solid and sound (some are not, but they aren't reasons to delete either). The article could use more editing and sources, but that's a content issue and not a deletion issue. The article meets WP:LISTN quite easily.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Just about every vote in that AFD is that it may be useful, encyclopedic and interesting which aren't reasons for keeping an article nowadays, and I'm not discussing a cleanup or a merge here for a content issue. Random listing of game by game scores isn't something that belongs here as it's original research and I can't see anything that can't be salvaged. Secret account 16:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
      • 8 editors took the position of Keep: three said it was either "useful" or "more useful" and one said "interesting" -- but not every editor had those statements as their only reason to keep. Don't hold editors from 6-7 years ago to the standards that are set today--they might well have made additional arguments (and some indeed did). Further, these are clearly not "random" listings and it's not original research. It's specific, it's targeted, and it's verifable. The definition of "rivalry" in sports is well-established, and according to the records in the NFL and for MNF, these games are considered "rivalries".--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
      • And the rest said "Wikipedia is not paper", or Keep end the discussion now, not one keep commenter mentioned any policy (to be fair neither did several of the deletes). I was starting to edit Wikipedia during that time and I remembered people usually commented on "VFD" like what the name expect votes for deletion, and how they liked the article or not. Not everything that is "verifiable" is worth keeping as we need to follow guidelines and policies, but this is a concern. Almost all MNF football games isn't involving rivalries, and the league and television executives decides what games they put for that day. Anything involving rivalries should go on the main MNF page, not in a series by series history. WP:NOT#INFO is not just for random listings on a list (if that's the case INFO would have been removed a long time ago, we had this since 2006). WP:NOT#INFO is mainly used for topics that is just clearly unencyclopedic and violates other policies and this is as clear cut of an example, especially section 3 involving statistics. WP:DISCRIMINATE is an opinion essay and a bit misinterpreted as well. Secret account 05:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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