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I know this will be a controversial nomination, but here it goes anyway. Fails WP:NOTNEWS, WP:BLP1E, and WP:CRYSTAL (for those who argue that she will become an important figure in anti-bullying efforts). This news broke less than 24 hours ago. Wikipedia is not a news site. Give it some time, people. SheepNotGoats (talk) 16:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Keep, I didn't add this article because it's news. I added it because she's notable and the event that happened to her is notable. Just because it's covered all over the news doesn't mean Klein doesn't deserve her own article. She's just like Rudy Eugene and other notable people that have been covered in the news recently, only she's in the news for a different reason. Soulboost (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete — fails WP:BLP1E. Yes, this might be covered by many news agencies, however the biography are not notable enough to have an article. -- Luke (Talk) 17:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Maybe renaming would be better because it is likely that event will likely become notable in the future. Maybe renaming the article and adding a section to discuss the subject of the event would be good. -- Luke (Talk) 23:06, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Note - maybe not the bio, but the event is certainly notable as it's been covered by NBC, CNN, CBS, etc. Soulboost (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Maybe move the page to Making The Bus Monitor Cry, but I would still keep the page Soulboost (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Informative and nicely referenced article linked from the front page of Google News. No other place has such a good summary of events. --Pmsyyz (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:ITSUSEFUL before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Although it's true that she is only notable for a single event, the amount of coverage and the number of people viewing the video, and the amount of money raised online, make it clear that this is likely to be one of those events that will be discussed for a long time, and will likely become the basis for new suggested policies, educational programs, and perhaps even legislation. In that sense, it's a bit like the Rodney King case, which was indisputably worthy of an article, or the Phoebe Prince case. DLC (talk) 10:20 pm, Today (UTC+4.5)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E and (re: "will likely become...", WP:CRYSTAL as well) before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Wait Normally I just feel like these should be deleted right away, but people did take the time to dig up information for a knee-jerk deletion to take it all away. I recommend waiting a week or two to see if she's just the flavor of the week, or if this actually has long term merit. I don't feel that getting picked up by the mainstream media is necessarily grounds for permanent enshrinement into the Wikipedian consciousness either. (which was my argument for deletion for what's-her-name in that contraception debate) Sarysa (talk) 17:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep sick and tired of barnstared wikipedia admins deciding social consciousness merits no inclusion.dmode (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete textbook WP:BLP1E. If we're still talking about this a year from now, create an article for.the event.
    • I note that there is only one sentence in this article that contains actual biographical information about the woman. Isn't there some other "List of ..." article this can be merged to? Zad68 22:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Its not about the person but the event, and the internet phenomenon of a viral video that got ample news coverage, and resulted in a large amount of money raised for the woman. If necessary you can rename the article. Dream Focus 22:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep, this is notable and deserves to be seen by others, I seriously have no idea why one would even give thought to deletion of this article -  Octavannus-Caelestis 23:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read it yourself: "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." --Pmsyyz (talk) 06:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
You are quoting WP:BIO1E instead of WP:BLP1E, which controls. But thank you for playing our game; we have some lovely parting gifts for you. EEng (talk) 07:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
By that logic, "Tank Man" should be deleted. Get on it. Amynewyork4248 (talk) 18:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
"Get on it!" Ha ha ha ha! Wow, facetiousness! I am truly humbled. Except Tank Man doesn't fit BLP1E's don't-have-an-article criteria, so your statement is meaningless. Have any comments that match the subject at hand to actual policy and guidelines? EEng (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is only temporarily notable, and Wikipedia is not a news site. For example, it's already off the front of Google's news page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.120.102 (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Still linked from Google News when not logged in, first story in U.S. section. --Pmsyyz (talk) 06:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
So is Help! Should I Wait Until My Dog Dies Before Marrying My Boyfriend? Perhaps you should start an article. EEng (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Not notable at all? I guess CNN, CBS, MSNBC, People Magazine, Fox News, Huff Post, Washington Post, USA Today and over $400k raised in less than 48 hours just don't establish notability anymore. Soulboost (talk) 02:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read it yourself: "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." --Pmsyyz (talk) 06:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
You are quoting WP:BIO1E instead of WP:BLP1E, which controls. But thank you for playing our game; we have some lovely parting gifts for you. EEng (talk) 07:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Strong keep, if at least for the moment. Very notable. Currently being covered by thousands of sources internationally. Very viral story. Also noteworthy is the amount of money raised for her in a single day. Sources are making it clear that the half-million USD fund is substantial, notable, and newsworthy. As the story itself seems more notable than the person, a renaming seems logical. Dmarquard (talk)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read WP:BLP1E before commenting further. EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
To avoid wasting more of your fellow editors' time, please read it yourself: "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." --Pmsyyz (talk) 06:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
You are quoting WP:BIO1E instead of WP:BLP1E, which controls. But thank you for playing our game; we have some lovely parting gifts for you. EEng (talk) 07:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete Talk about BLP1E! EEng (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Have you read it? "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." --Pmsyyz (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
You are quoting WP:BIO1E instead of WP:BLP1E, which controls. But thank you for playing our game; we have some lovely parting gifts for you. EEng (talk) 07:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename based upon the event, per WP:PRESERVE and WP:BIO1E. The topic of the event and viral video has received significant coverage in reliable sources. See also WP:NTEMP, "Notability is not temporary..." Northamerica1000(talk) 08:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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