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  • Delete. It appears to be a wine region rather than an actual vineyard. A Dealu Mare wine region article may be justifiable at some stage but there is no need for a redir from this page. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:48, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Rename. The nominator's rationale seems more like an argument to rename the article than delete it. If it is a recognized region in Romania, then it qualifies for an article. I must say the cited source is confusing, designating a large area as a "vineyard" containing several viticultural centers. It makes me wonder if the source was mis-translated from Romanian somehow. List of wine-producing regions#Romania also seems confused, listing small towns and boroughs as distinct "wine regions". Maybe they are considered that way in Romania. I don't know. ~Amatulić (talk) 14:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment According to The World Atlas of Wine section on Romania (pg 258 in the 2005 edition), Dealul Mare (note the slightly different spelling) is a wine making zone within the Muntenia region. Other sources (though not as reliable as the Wine Atlas) seems to back this idea up under the original Dealu Mare spelling. I would move the page to either Dealul Mare wine region or Dealu Mare wine region (depending on which spelling) rather than delete. AgneCheese/Wine 01:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep but rename. It's a notable name (if you drink Romanian wine :) ). The term "vineyard" wasn't a good choice and needs to be changed. I see we have a disambig page at Dealu Mare with a long list of towns/villages (this isn't surprising because the name means "the big hill"). It might be just because the disambig page exists that the creator was led to choose this name. So, Dealu Mare wine region or something similar. The spelling variation (-l) is not meaningful but we'd need to decide which spelling is more standard. [PS Having written this I see that I am agreeing in every detail with Agne27!] Andrew Dalby 08:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Added comment: It appears to me that "Dealu Mare" (without -l) is currently preferred in Romanian sources and we should stay with that spelling. See also this handy source.
As for the "vineyard" term, it appears to have become semi-official in Romanian publicity in English. That's unlucky for us: it isn't a good choice as a disambiguating word. Also unluckily for us, the six big general-purpose geographical divisions of Romania are usually called "regions" and that's what they are called on the online wine maps. In terms of our Wikipedia categories, however, Dealu Mare is certainly one of the major Wine regions of Romania. Andrew Dalby 09:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename, just a bad translation choice in the title--I didn't track down completely, but I think a romanian word that we would translate as region can also mean vineyard. We also need to fix Târnave Vineyard.--Milowenthasspoken 05:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I've made the move and done a little work on the article. Dealu Mare is clearly one of the best known wine producing regions in Romania. As for the old title, for anyone interested, the word "podgoria" can translate vineyard in English, and Google translates it that way. However, it can also mean "wine region", and thus the .ro wikipedia has the article ro:Podgorii în România, , meaning "Wine regions in Romania". (See also [1], an article about hail damage references that 100 hectares of "podgoria" in Buzau county being damaged. -- and [2], referring to the fairly well known Murfatlar Vineyards as "Podgoria Murfatlar".)--Milowenthasspoken 13:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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