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Cecil Newton, Sr.

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The previous AfD for this article resulted in no consensus, but looking at this article again nine months later, I still cannot see how it should be able to stay on Wikipedia. The entire body is just a regurgitation of the Eligibility controversy section from Cam Newton. Cam's father is not notable enough to have a stand-alone article per WP:GNG, and I am re-requesting deletion or a merge of content into Cam Newton. Waiting nine months allows us to see that Cecil Newton, Sr. has not received continued coverage since the scandal. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Keep Continuing coverage is not necessary. Notability is permanent. Admittedly a large portion of the article revolves around the scandal. But there are numerous other sources that fill in the article and that enable it to pass WP:GNG. P.S. I am the page's main editor.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Got coverage before this scandel to do with being released from 2 American football teams in the 80's Seasider91 (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Cam Newton#Eligibility controversy - his NFL 'career' fails WP:NGRIDIRON, as he never rose higher than the practice squad, and the scandal is a WP:BLP1E event. I suppose you could make the case that the two combine to squeak past the GNG, but I don't believe he's sufficently notable to merit an article outside of the scandal itself. Now, the scandal might merit its own article instead of a section in Cam's, but that's another can o' worms. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Query. For those editors arguing to keep a standalone article for the father, I have several questions for which I would like to hear answers:
1. Why do you not believe that WP:BLP1E or WP:BIO1E do not apply to Cecil's standalone article?
Keep is based on WP:GNG which provides a broad view of his life beyond football.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
2. Why do you think that Cecil is notable because he was a preseason member of one or more NFL teams and was released? Does this not contravene the spirit, if not the letter of WP:NGRIDIRON? Can you show any in-depth coverage of Cecil in independent, reliable sources for his abbreviated NFL career?
See reply above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
3. Can you show any in-depth coverage of Cecil in independent, reliable sources for his college career per WP:GNG?
see above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
4. Once the duplication in coverage is eliminated, can you provide your logic why Cecil's involvement in the eligibility scandal can not be covered more completely, coherently and concisely as part of the Cameron Newton article's section regarding the scandal?
This is a biography. It is not an article about the scandal. A separate scandal article is welcome.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I look forward to hearing your answers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Redirect: to Cam Newton#Eligibility controversy. A first read through the article and I thought it was about the son. Words like "allegations" and "apparently " along with "via text message by a representative" and "he was said to have attended". There looks like a lot of speculation here, where no one is sure what happened and things should be better on a WP:BLP. Also fails WP:NGRIDIRON. --LauraHale (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Redirect per LauraHale. The great majority of the article focuses on the scandal involving his son. The only reference to his own football career is a throw-away sentence that, "Newton, Sr. was released in training camp during both the 1983 season by the Dallas Cowboys, as well as the 1984 season by the Buffalo Bills." For this to be kept, I think there needs to be more about why "Sr." is notable separate and apart from his involvement in a scandal involving his son. Cbl62 (talk) 23:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
    • If you remove the section on the scandal, the article remains over 1500 KB of readable prose. I think you are misrepresenting the content of the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't think I've misrepresented anything, but if you can find more information and expand the section on his own football career in a way that demonstrates his independent notability, I'm willing to reconsider my vote. Cbl62 (talk) 00:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Redirect per The Bushranger. None of Sr.'s accomplishments rise to notability other than the scandal. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Cam Newton#Eligibility controversy. Has only received significant coverage for his role in this scandal, hasn't done anything independently notable. The rest of his life, including unsuccessful American football career, is non-notable and it is not appropriate to have a BLP based around one negative scandal, with a few non-notable elements to puff it up. Jenks24 (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Redirect fails WP:NGRIDIRON. Clear case of WP:BLP1E. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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